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		<title>By: 401(k) as Dangerous as the Dollar &#171; Daily Truth Pills</title>
		<link>http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/401k-as-dangerous-as-the-dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-4194</link>
		<dc:creator>401(k) as Dangerous as the Dollar &#171; Daily Truth Pills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MJJP</title>
		<link>http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/401k-as-dangerous-as-the-dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-2706</link>
		<dc:creator>MJJP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To kjb
If you cannot find anything other than factcheck to dispute the article and you have no confidence in it may I remind you that the burden of proof remains with the original poster and writer to prove his story true not the other way around. To do otherwise is trying to prove a negative. In your reasoning if you cannot prove something false then it must be true. Prove Santa doesn&#039;t exist. You can&#039;t unless you have been to every nick and cranny of the known and unknown universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To kjb<br />
If you cannot find anything other than factcheck to dispute the article and you have no confidence in it may I remind you that the burden of proof remains with the original poster and writer to prove his story true not the other way around. To do otherwise is trying to prove a negative. In your reasoning if you cannot prove something false then it must be true. Prove Santa doesn&#8217;t exist. You can&#8217;t unless you have been to every nick and cranny of the known and unknown universe.</p>
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		<title>By: MJJP</title>
		<link>http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/401k-as-dangerous-as-the-dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-2705</link>
		<dc:creator>MJJP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Articles like this one and the writer should be throw out. The  poster above who debunked the article should at least get honorable mention and perhaps a job offer from W/G. I/We expect better from W/G. There are a lot of gloom and doomers out there sounding the alarm to cash everything in and go hide in the woods. Unfortunately this isn&#039;t going to happen. Even if you buy hard gold and silver who are you going to trade it with? Try filling up your tank of gas using gold bullion or coins. Sure they will take it but try getting change back. Gold and silver must be traded back to paper so you can use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Articles like this one and the writer should be throw out. The  poster above who debunked the article should at least get honorable mention and perhaps a job offer from W/G. I/We expect better from W/G. There are a lot of gloom and doomers out there sounding the alarm to cash everything in and go hide in the woods. Unfortunately this isn&#8217;t going to happen. Even if you buy hard gold and silver who are you going to trade it with? Try filling up your tank of gas using gold bullion or coins. Sure they will take it but try getting change back. Gold and silver must be traded back to paper so you can use it.</p>
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		<title>By: CoinSniper</title>
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		<dc:creator>CoinSniper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Horace,

   How right you are!!! Didn&#039;t Rahm Emanuel, President O&#039;s chief of staff,  say &quot;You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.&quot;  After reading some of the bovine ejectus in the Cap &amp; Trade, why would anyone doubt the guv&#039;ment taking over your 401k for &quot;regulatory&quot; or some other reason is out of the question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Horace,</p>
<p>   How right you are!!! Didn&#8217;t Rahm Emanuel, President O&#8217;s chief of staff,  say &#8220;You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.&#8221;  After reading some of the bovine ejectus in the Cap &amp; Trade, why would anyone doubt the guv&#8217;ment taking over your 401k for &#8220;regulatory&#8221; or some other reason is out of the question?</p>
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		<title>By: kjb</title>
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		<dc:creator>kjb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot find any supporting data for any &quot;plans to hijack your 401k&quot;.....  

I did find this, however, at FactCheck.org.  I have no idea if FactCheck.org can be trusted or not, but it&#039;s all I could find. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/are_congressional_democrats_talking_about_confiscating_ira.html

The Obama administration is saddling us with massive debt and is definitely pushing us towards socialism and fascism.  There are enough valid reasons to complain about this administration without  repeating rumors that don&#039;t appear to be based on facts.  

I&#039;m not a financial expert, but I can&#039;t see paying a 10% penalty for withdrawing my money out of retirement savings soley based on a rumor such as this.  A better reason to do so would be if you fear that the market will tank again and you will need your money before it has time to recover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot find any supporting data for any &#8220;plans to hijack your 401k&#8221;&#8230;..  </p>
<p>I did find this, however, at FactCheck.org.  I have no idea if FactCheck.org can be trusted or not, but it&#8217;s all I could find. <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/are_congressional_democrats_talking_about_confiscating_ira.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.factcheck.org/askfa.....g_ira.html</a></p>
<p>The Obama administration is saddling us with massive debt and is definitely pushing us towards socialism and fascism.  There are enough valid reasons to complain about this administration without  repeating rumors that don&#8217;t appear to be based on facts.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a financial expert, but I can&#8217;t see paying a 10% penalty for withdrawing my money out of retirement savings soley based on a rumor such as this.  A better reason to do so would be if you fear that the market will tank again and you will need your money before it has time to recover.</p>
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		<title>By: Horace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Day-um!  I foresee a spike in the price of good whiskey.

Re &quot;Silver, yes, MREs, no! I applaud and agree with the succinct (something I am only rarely) sentiment, but there are much more satisfying ways to solve the problem of “What’s for dinner when we go back to the Dark Ages or at least the anti-Industrial Revolution?” for those of us with sybaritic urges.&quot; -- if you recall the famine in east Africa some years ago, MRE == &quot;Meals Rejected by Ethiopians&quot;

Re &quot;Do you have any links which validate the concern of government confiscation of deferred tax accounts?&quot; -- while Mme Traynham can speak for herself, consider the following data, in order of importance (IMHO):

1. There is precedent for this:  Argentina did it a year or two ago (NOT during the first peso crisis which resulted in a revolving-door presidency, but during &#039;the latest crisis&#039;).  Bonus:  one might note some similarities between the presidents here and there.

2.  There is a *lot* of money tied up in these retirement vehicles.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s enough to actually paper over all the cracks in the current tottering edifice of finance, but it would go a long way towards that.

3.  Probably most importantly, there already are .GOV strings tying these vehicles up.  It would be much easier to &quot;make some small adjustments to help out the economy&quot; than to explore more obviously unexplored territory such as messing around with the ownership of real estate.  Or... &quot;what the government gives, the government can take away&quot;.

There are a number of ways in which such confiscation of investment vehicles would be a Very Bad Idea, but the ones that come to mind can all be surmounted by an emergency of sufficient magnitude.   I&#039;ll leave that exposition to someone with more interest.

Horace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Day-um!  I foresee a spike in the price of good whiskey.</p>
<p>Re &#8220;Silver, yes, MREs, no! I applaud and agree with the succinct (something I am only rarely) sentiment, but there are much more satisfying ways to solve the problem of “What’s for dinner when we go back to the Dark Ages or at least the anti-Industrial Revolution?” for those of us with sybaritic urges.&#8221; &#8212; if you recall the famine in east Africa some years ago, MRE == &#8220;Meals Rejected by Ethiopians&#8221;</p>
<p>Re &#8220;Do you have any links which validate the concern of government confiscation of deferred tax accounts?&#8221; &#8212; while Mme Traynham can speak for herself, consider the following data, in order of importance (IMHO):</p>
<p>1. There is precedent for this:  Argentina did it a year or two ago (NOT during the first peso crisis which resulted in a revolving-door presidency, but during &#8216;the latest crisis&#8217;).  Bonus:  one might note some similarities between the presidents here and there.</p>
<p>2.  There is a *lot* of money tied up in these retirement vehicles.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s enough to actually paper over all the cracks in the current tottering edifice of finance, but it would go a long way towards that.</p>
<p>3.  Probably most importantly, there already are .GOV strings tying these vehicles up.  It would be much easier to &#8220;make some small adjustments to help out the economy&#8221; than to explore more obviously unexplored territory such as messing around with the ownership of real estate.  Or&#8230; &#8220;what the government gives, the government can take away&#8221;.</p>
<p>There are a number of ways in which such confiscation of investment vehicles would be a Very Bad Idea, but the ones that come to mind can all be surmounted by an emergency of sufficient magnitude.   I&#8217;ll leave that exposition to someone with more interest.</p>
<p>Horace</p>
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		<title>By: 401(k) as Dangerous as the Dollar &#171; Daily Truth Pills</title>
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		<dc:creator>401(k) as Dangerous as the Dollar &#171; Daily Truth Pills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To be brutal, the rape artists are moving on their plans to hijack your 401K and replace it with a handsome certificate suitable for framing which says you got a Guaranteed Retirement Account in return for one of your old, unsafe means of preparing for the grim future. Actually, I made that part up. You probably won’t get a certificate large enough to frame and hang over your computer as a constant reminder never to trust government with your money, or not to change the rules on you. What you’ll get is a dud IOU. Read the full article [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] To be brutal, the rape artists are moving on their plans to hijack your 401K and replace it with a handsome certificate suitable for framing which says you got a Guaranteed Retirement Account in return for one of your old, unsafe means of preparing for the grim future. Actually, I made that part up. You probably won’t get a certificate large enough to frame and hang over your computer as a constant reminder never to trust government with your money, or not to change the rules on you. What you’ll get is a dud IOU. Read the full article [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Economics and Investing: &#124; Theology Today</title>
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		<dc:creator>Economics and Investing: &#124; Theology Today</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from The Economatrix:  401(k)s as Dangerous as the Dollar Get your money out of 401(k)s now!  Calls Grow to Supplant the Dollar as Global Currency  Peter [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from The Economatrix:  401(k)s as Dangerous as the Dollar Get your money out of 401(k)s now!  Calls Grow to Supplant the Dollar as Global Currency  Peter [...]</p>
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		<title>By: some guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>some guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess my question is this: would these plans for the 401(k) accounts also apply to IRAs?  Or are IRAs under some regulations that give them a bit more protection?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess my question is this: would these plans for the 401(k) accounts also apply to IRAs?  Or are IRAs under some regulations that give them a bit more protection?</p>
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		<title>By: Light29ID</title>
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		<dc:creator>Light29ID</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda,

We&#039;ve far surpassed the hording of Silver and Gold...the only the commodity that will mean anything after the collapse will be Lead...in cased in Brass</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda,</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve far surpassed the hording of Silver and Gold&#8230;the only the commodity that will mean anything after the collapse will be Lead&#8230;in cased in Brass</p>
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