Comments on: A Few Nations Under God: Race and National Socialism in America http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/a-few-nations-under-god/ Whiskey and Gunpowder features articles on gold, oil, currencies, emerging markets, energy, and more. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:04:48 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: jennifer Bhala Hansen http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/a-few-nations-under-god/comment-page-1/#comment-759 jennifer Bhala Hansen Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:24:03 +0000 http://www.whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3365#comment-759 Ha. lol, great read. Ha. lol, great read.

]]> By: Ricardo Nunez C http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/a-few-nations-under-god/comment-page-1/#comment-738 Ricardo Nunez C Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:52:48 +0000 http://www.whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3365#comment-738 Quite an interesting view of things but too complicate for me to read all and grasp it. Anyway, I have to say my perception from here in south america as a 3rd world country indigenous human with a few drops of european blood here & there and a white/mestizo colour of skin and an european (ancestors from Italy and netherlands) few neurons here & there..that the election of Barack is a great thing to the USA or North America & South. Its also a good simbolic event in the history of the recent wORLD. I think that brings at least a sense of more real tendency to un-discrimination, to become more integrated instead of desintegrating. The other perception is that if many of the so called crazy ideas of "illluminaty" hordes are true then I fear that Barack was put there intentionally to give a nice face to the "naive" world perception and on the hidden real purpose the devil and demonic reason of setting a brown/black intelligent bright guy with one of the most terrible and complex economic & ecological problems to solve FAST in this PLANET.. or ....? Anyway, hope I could put my thoughts and perceptions quite correctly for you readers to understand. Cheers from Ecuador Love whisky&gunpowder! Quite an interesting view of things but too complicate for me to read all and grasp it. Anyway, I have to say my perception from here in south america as a 3rd world country indigenous human with a few drops of european blood here & there and a white/mestizo colour of skin and an european (ancestors from Italy and netherlands) few neurons here & there..that the election of Barack is a great thing to the USA or North America & South. Its also a good simbolic event in the history of the recent wORLD. I think that brings at least a sense of more real tendency to un-discrimination, to become more integrated instead of desintegrating.

The other perception is that if many of the so called crazy ideas of “illluminaty” hordes are true then I fear that Barack was put there intentionally to give a nice face to the “naive” world perception and on the hidden real purpose the devil and demonic reason of setting a brown/black intelligent bright guy with one of the most terrible and complex economic & ecological problems to solve FAST in this PLANET.. or ….?

Anyway, hope I could put my thoughts and perceptions quite correctly for you readers to understand.
Cheers from Ecuador
Love whisky&gunpowder!

]]> By: SAW http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/a-few-nations-under-god/comment-page-1/#comment-714 SAW Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:01:39 +0000 http://www.whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3365#comment-714 Hmmm..so the Russians were right.......the US will break up. And I wonder if I'm right in foreseeing the creation of a national African-American political party in the US to challenge the Reps and the Dems. And that'll then be followed by a national Hispanic Party and a .........and then a.............. Hmmm..so the Russians were right…….the US will break up.

And I wonder if I’m right in foreseeing the creation of a national African-American political party in the US to challenge the Reps and the Dems. And that’ll then be followed by a national Hispanic Party and a ………and then a…………..

]]> By: Gary Gibson http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/a-few-nations-under-god/comment-page-1/#comment-706 Gary Gibson Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:56:09 +0000 http://www.whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3365#comment-706 Many happy returns. Thanks for the thoughts. Many happy returns. Thanks for the thoughts.

]]> By: CanadaNorth http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/a-few-nations-under-god/comment-page-1/#comment-700 CanadaNorth Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:37:50 +0000 http://www.whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3365#comment-700 Gary Just read all of the comments, I too am from Canada like Phil Biggins a previous commentor. I also have Irish blood lines and a few others, so I know a bit of history of other 'have not' ethnic groups. I am 61 years of age and said to a friend the other day, Ed we are quite lucky that we were born poor and he agreed wholeheartedly! In Canada there is a very similar situation with our 1st Nation or Native groups. As in the so called "Black" tribes who originated out of Africa, there were and still are tribal rivalries here as in the States. For anyone to say that "The Blacks" or "The Bloods" will rebel gainst "The Whites" is not particularly probable. Go to any local hockey game in Canada, the browns, the whites, the tans and every player in between are playing for their own side, not some ethnic side. I say things will get better and better. Obama has made a lot of people smile I think. Obama is nether Black nor White, but is a nice Brown color. But more than this Obama is Obama, he is a youngish man whom I believe has the right stuff. I believe it is more likely that good things will happen because of him being elected than bad things. Anyway the big thing to remember is that Obama has the American people behind him and I also believe most Canadians as well. And Gary, great article! All of this had to be said as you so aptly put on paper. Reconsider moving somewhere else though, as you have many more friends here than you think, many you have not even met yet! Best Regards Gary

Just read all of the comments, I too am from Canada like Phil Biggins a previous commentor. I also have Irish blood lines and a few others, so I know a bit of history of other ‘have not’ ethnic groups. I am 61 years of age and said to a friend the other day, Ed we are quite lucky that we were born poor and he agreed wholeheartedly! In Canada there is a very similar situation with our 1st Nation or Native groups. As in the so called “Black” tribes who originated out of Africa, there were and still are tribal rivalries here as in the States. For anyone to say that “The Blacks” or “The Bloods” will rebel gainst “The Whites” is not particularly probable. Go to any local hockey game in Canada, the browns, the whites, the tans and every player in between are playing for their own side, not some ethnic side. I say things will get better and better. Obama has made a lot of people smile I think. Obama is nether Black nor White, but is a nice Brown color. But more than this Obama is Obama, he is a youngish man whom I believe has the right stuff. I believe it is more likely that good things will happen because of him being elected than bad things. Anyway the big thing to remember is that Obama has the American people behind him and I also believe most Canadians as well.

And Gary, great article! All of this had to be said as you so aptly put on paper. Reconsider moving somewhere else though, as you have many more friends here than you think, many you have not even met yet!

Best Regards

]]> By: Philip Biggins http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/a-few-nations-under-god/comment-page-1/#comment-679 Philip Biggins Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:34:54 +0000 http://www.whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3365#comment-679 I am Canadian and have many friends of many ethnicities and "color" since you seem to like to differentiate. I am very proud to be married to a First Nations native lady . I hate to say it but i feel discrimination and racial separation by some "people of color" who come here but refuse to adapt to Canadian society and will not even allow their children to play with children not of the same race!! Now that is unfortuante and sets us up for potential problems . We MUST stop this diverse distinction of race and call each other either Americans(and actually become an American), Canadian and become an actual Canadian citizen. It is a privelige to live in N. America otherwise WHY are all these people trying to get into our countries. BUT you can not come into a country and expect the country to change to "your" ways. I find myself getting frustrated when i see, for example, a very pregnant woman carrying armfulls of groceries while her "Man" walks in front of her and carries NOTHING but his own overblown concept of "self' !! It is real simple, when in someone else's "home" (country), treat them and their home with respect and respect will be shown to them. Respect is shown where respect is due! Relative to racial segregation, folks fought for decades to eliminate it , especially in the USA . It seems rediculous that after finally abolishing it , now we have,for example, Black only schools, Black Entertainment, Black Colleges, Miss Black America, etc., etc., etc. What kind of a message is that projecting??? Is that not discriminating against all other races of different "color"?? Doesn't sound much like wanting to actually eliminate racial segregation to me?? It actually exacerbates racial divisions. We create our own circumstances by our actions and if one says they don't want discrimination , then "Walk the walk" as Christ would suggest. Just my humble opinion. I am Canadian and have many friends of many ethnicities and “color” since you seem to like to differentiate. I am very proud to be married to a First Nations native lady . I hate to say it but i feel discrimination and racial separation by some “people of color” who come here but refuse to adapt to Canadian society and will not even allow their children to play with children not of the same race!! Now that is unfortuante and sets us up for potential problems . We MUST stop this diverse distinction of race and call each other either Americans(and actually become an American), Canadian and become an actual Canadian citizen. It is a privelige to live in N. America otherwise WHY are all these people trying to get into our countries. BUT you can not come into a country and expect the country to change to “your” ways. I find myself getting frustrated when i see, for example, a very pregnant woman carrying armfulls of groceries while her “Man” walks in front of her and carries NOTHING but his own overblown concept of “self’ !! It is real simple, when in someone else’s “home” (country), treat them and their home with respect and respect will be shown to them. Respect is shown where respect is due! Relative to racial segregation, folks fought for decades to eliminate it , especially in the USA . It seems rediculous that after finally abolishing it , now we have,for example, Black only schools, Black Entertainment, Black Colleges, Miss Black America, etc., etc., etc. What kind of a message is that projecting??? Is that not discriminating against all other races of different “color”?? Doesn’t sound much like wanting to actually eliminate racial segregation to me?? It actually exacerbates racial divisions. We create our own circumstances by our actions and if one says they don’t want discrimination , then “Walk the walk” as Christ would suggest. Just my humble opinion.

]]> By: Joe http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/a-few-nations-under-god/comment-page-1/#comment-670 Joe Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:04:07 +0000 http://www.whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3365#comment-670 Dear Gary, Congratulations! An erudite and 'from the gut' article! I think you may be surprised at how many people would agree with your view (but then, from your insights, maybe not). It's never a clear cut ideology or race issue and I must agree with your point of view. Race or ideology is just too academic and easy an excuse to reason away the violence perpretrated by the following many on behalf of the charismatic few. History has proven and will continue to prove that when the chips are down, horse meat tastes good and it's always the fault of the 'stranger' because it is in precisely difficult times when people of evil disposition stoke the fires of fear and hatred and provide 'absolution' to those who 'just follow orders'. But that does not absolve the 'stranger' does it? I mean, harmony is achieving common ground in values, norms, beliefs, traditions etc? And there's the rub. It is when the stranger brings with him his unshakeable pride in his ingrained values that offend others that you find the seeds of discontent planted firmly for future conflict. And the worst, the very worst fertiliser to feed to these dormant seeds are the actions resulting from the 'good' intentions of elected officials and the paid lobbyists behind them. As to going abroad? At least where you are now you can still voice your opinion publicly without fear of persecution. And by that I mean real persecution, the silent behind the scenes kind where your tenure on this planet is quietly cut short and nobody hears about it. Where would you go with your point of view? Your views diametrically oppose the 'isms' (facism, socialism etc) so beloved of the motley powermongers of this world. At least I can give you this advice: Steer clear of Africa, you wont last 6 months with your sense of right and wrong Keep up the quality of your writing! Joe Dear Gary,

Congratulations! An erudite and ‘from the gut’ article! I think you may be surprised at how many people would agree with your view (but then, from your insights, maybe not).

It’s never a clear cut ideology or race issue and I must agree with your point of view. Race or ideology is just too academic and easy an excuse to reason away the violence perpretrated by the following many on behalf of the charismatic few. History has proven and will continue to prove that when the chips are down, horse meat tastes good and it’s always the fault of the ’stranger’ because it is in precisely difficult times when people of evil disposition stoke the fires of fear and hatred and provide ‘absolution’ to those who ‘just follow orders’.

But that does not absolve the ’stranger’ does it? I mean, harmony is achieving common ground in values, norms, beliefs, traditions etc? And there’s the rub. It is when the stranger brings with him his unshakeable pride in his ingrained values that offend others that you find the seeds of discontent planted firmly for future conflict. And the worst, the very worst fertiliser to feed to these dormant seeds are the actions resulting from the ‘good’ intentions of elected officials and the paid lobbyists behind them.

As to going abroad? At least where you are now you can still voice your opinion publicly without fear of persecution. And by that I mean real persecution, the silent behind the scenes kind where your tenure on this planet is quietly cut short and nobody hears about it. Where would you go with your point of view? Your views diametrically oppose the ‘isms’ (facism, socialism etc) so beloved of the motley powermongers of this world. At least I can give you this advice: Steer clear of Africa, you wont last 6 months with your sense of right and wrong

Keep up the quality of your writing!
Joe

]]> By: Joe C. http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/a-few-nations-under-god/comment-page-1/#comment-666 Joe C. Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:05:59 +0000 http://www.whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3365#comment-666 Happy Birthday, Gary.... Cudos on a fine and illuminating article. While I have read other pieces that shed some rational light on this highly charged topic, I have yet to hear of any proposals to address it. Liberal Democrats are quite content in using our collective money ( in the form of taxes) to literally buy the black vote even though they surely must understand that the bottom line is that they are breeding dangerous discontent. I hope, for all our sakes, that someone can come up with solutions to this potentially lethal situation. Happy Birthday, Gary…. Cudos on a fine and illuminating article.
While I have read other pieces that shed some rational light on this highly charged topic, I have yet to hear of any proposals to address it. Liberal Democrats are quite content in using our collective money ( in the form of taxes) to literally buy the black vote even though they surely must understand that the bottom line is that they are breeding dangerous discontent.
I hope, for all our sakes, that someone can come up with solutions to this potentially lethal situation.

]]> By: Gary Gibson http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/a-few-nations-under-god/comment-page-1/#comment-665 Gary Gibson Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:46:25 +0000 http://www.whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3365#comment-665 Agreed, arby. Cliff, as a new Baltimore resident I completely understand the desire to be heavily armed, especially as I sense even more dire times heading our way. I pray that Agora eventually lets me do my work from abroad. Agreed, arby.

Cliff, as a new Baltimore resident I completely understand the desire to be heavily armed, especially as I sense even more dire times heading our way. I pray that Agora eventually lets me do my work from abroad.

]]> By: arby63 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/a-few-nations-under-god/comment-page-1/#comment-663 arby63 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:13:34 +0000 http://www.whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3365#comment-663 As Mr. Gibson points out, if the State would get out of the way then the races and the economy would sort through the details with much greater efficiency. Forced solutions never work; rather, they only delay the implosion. As Mr. Gibson points out, if the State would get out of the way then the races and the economy would sort through the details with much greater efficiency. Forced solutions never work; rather, they only delay the implosion.

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