Comments on: Sustaining the Unsustainable: The Abyss Stares Back http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/sustaining-the-unsustainable-the-abyss-stares-back/ Whiskey and Gunpowder features articles on gold, oil, currencies, emerging markets, energy, and more. Thu, 24 May 2012 21:26:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Bill Simmons http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/sustaining-the-unsustainable-the-abyss-stares-back/comment-page-1/#comment-3502 Bill Simmons Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:59:04 +0000 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3607#comment-3502 Nobody said free energy. Energy has always come with a cost. The point is that cost has always been dropping over the long term. Temporary energy crises have always been temporary when market forces have been allowed to work. Nobody said free energy. Energy has always come with a cost. The point is that cost has always been dropping over the long term. Temporary energy crises have always been temporary when market forces have been allowed to work.

]]> By: da-veed http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/sustaining-the-unsustainable-the-abyss-stares-back/comment-page-1/#comment-1135 da-veed Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:33:47 +0000 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3607#comment-1135 Coal and Nuclear. Free energy for centuries. No problem. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha Coal and Nuclear. Free energy for centuries. No problem. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha

]]> By: Chris Valenzuela http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/sustaining-the-unsustainable-the-abyss-stares-back/comment-page-1/#comment-1044 Chris Valenzuela Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:23:50 +0000 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3607#comment-1044 That subsitsence part will occur between here and then. It's the trough. The renewal. That subsitsence part will occur between here and then. It’s the trough. The renewal.

]]> By: Paul D http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/sustaining-the-unsustainable-the-abyss-stares-back/comment-page-1/#comment-1014 Paul D Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:50:29 +0000 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3607#comment-1014 Great post...The only way for this economic crisis to end is for people to own up and be honest with what is going on. Only then can we move forward and start to make things better. And, we have to do it responsibly, we can't get out of this mess by creating weak credit and hoping things go back to normal. Great post…The only way for this economic crisis to end is for people to own up and be honest with what is going on. Only then can we move forward and start to make things better. And, we have to do it responsibly, we can’t get out of this mess by creating weak credit and hoping things go back to normal.

]]> By: w simmons http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/sustaining-the-unsustainable-the-abyss-stares-back/comment-page-1/#comment-1013 w simmons Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:06:28 +0000 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3607#comment-1013 Mr. Kunstler, your Schadenfreude amidst America's difficulties reveals the contempt you hold for our culture and society. You foolishly and wishfully base most of your reasoning on a belief that "the conventional process of economic growth — based, as it was, on industrial expansion via revolving credit in a cheap-energy-resource era — is over." A little more research into available energy sources will reveal to you that there is more than enough energy available from hydrocarbon, nuclear, geothermal and various solar energy capture technologies( photovoltaics, wind, ocean, and biofuels). Furthermore, advances in materials sciences and semiconductors will enable the energy that we do use to be used much more efficiently. The GDP of the world in 2050, barring nuclear war in the interim, will be many, many times current levels. Your no-growth scenario will need more than a depression and peak oil to become permanent. We are simply in the early stages of a demographic shift that will slow growth for several years. Mr. Kunstler, your Schadenfreude amidst America’s difficulties reveals the contempt you hold for our culture and society. You foolishly and wishfully base most of your reasoning on a belief that “the conventional process of economic growth — based, as it was, on industrial expansion via revolving credit in a cheap-energy-resource era — is over.” A little more research into available energy sources will reveal to you that there is more than enough energy available from hydrocarbon, nuclear, geothermal and various solar energy capture technologies( photovoltaics, wind, ocean, and biofuels). Furthermore, advances in materials sciences and semiconductors will enable the energy that we do use to be used much more efficiently. The GDP of the world in 2050, barring nuclear war in the interim, will be many, many times current levels. Your no-growth scenario will need more than a depression and peak oil to become permanent. We are simply in the early stages of a demographic shift that will slow growth for several years.

]]> By: Ernie http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/sustaining-the-unsustainable-the-abyss-stares-back/comment-page-1/#comment-1012 Ernie Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:59:44 +0000 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=3607#comment-1012 Kunstler, How do you get up in the morning? Are things bad- yes. Have there been high crimes and misdemeanors and treason in high places? Indubitably. Is oil getting more expensive? Of course- and it will cause massive upheaval as it becomes increasingly uneconomic to burn it as a transportation fuel. But- we still have centuries of coal and nuclear fuel in the ground. Our suburbs aren't going to dry up and blow away- people are far more versatile than that- when oil based travel gets too expensive, local general stores will come to those strip malls and housing tracts. We cannot, will not, and should not go back to subsistence farming- that didn't work out too well for Soviet Russia and Red China. All we have to do is get the damned government out of the way, and Americans will remake the world. Again. EP Kunstler,
How do you get up in the morning? Are things bad- yes. Have there been high crimes and misdemeanors and treason in high places? Indubitably. Is oil getting more expensive? Of course- and it will cause massive upheaval as it becomes increasingly uneconomic to burn it as a transportation fuel.

But- we still have centuries of coal and nuclear fuel in the ground. Our suburbs aren’t going to dry up and blow away- people are far more versatile than that- when oil based travel gets too expensive, local general stores will come to those strip malls and housing tracts. We cannot, will not, and should not go back to subsistence farming- that didn’t work out too well for Soviet Russia and Red China.

All we have to do is get the damned government out of the way, and Americans will remake the world. Again.
EP

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