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		<title>By: Isle of Man Gold Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isle of Man Gold Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 18:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; The salesman thanks the customer for patronizing his shop and asks him to come again. But the socialists say: Be grateful to Hitler, render thanks to Stalin; be nice and submissive, then the great man will be kind to you later too. &quot; - Ludwig von Mises</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; The salesman thanks the customer for patronizing his shop and asks him to come again. But the socialists say: Be grateful to Hitler, render thanks to Stalin; be nice and submissive, then the great man will be kind to you later too. &#8221; &#8211; Ludwig von Mises</p>
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		<title>By: Stanley d. Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stanley d. Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can hardly wait for my green card to the USA, where I  can wake up each day getting screwed into the ground by corporate America with low wages, no vacations and knowing I am just one illness or two paychecks from total poverty. The only nation with a protestant work ethic and a dream of working til you drop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can hardly wait for my green card to the USA, where I  can wake up each day getting screwed into the ground by corporate America with low wages, no vacations and knowing I am just one illness or two paychecks from total poverty. The only nation with a protestant work ethic and a dream of working til you drop.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, I can&#039;t afford a dictionary......Spell check makes me lazy!
Go ahead I deserve the rip for mispelling.

OPPORTUNITY twice!  I will be slower to</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, I can&#8217;t afford a dictionary&#8230;&#8230;Spell check makes me lazy!<br />
Go ahead I deserve the rip for mispelling.</p>
<p>OPPORTUNITY twice!  I will be slower to</p>
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		<title>By: Cheri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John...

How does communism eliminate greed?  With force, imprisionment or &quot;programing&quot;?  Communism is no &quot;Ideal&quot;.  Forced sacrafice and dampened achievement aren&#039;t very inspiring.  Maybe for a guy who isn&#039;t very motivated and would perfer to sit around and goof off but not do without?  Do you feel bad about yourself when people talk or worse yet, brag about what they have or want to have?  I refer to my earlier post about the &quot;ills of humanity&quot;, cheaters, gamblers and subversives exist no matter which economic political system they&#039;re under.  Just makes sense to pick the one which offers the &quot;common&quot; man the most oppurtunity to live his life they way he reasons it relative to his own goals and abilities.  
At least that is what makes sense to a small town girl from a family with six children and hearing impaired but HARDWORKING parents who never want more than their fair share of OPPURTUNITY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8230;</p>
<p>How does communism eliminate greed?  With force, imprisionment or &#8220;programing&#8221;?  Communism is no &#8220;Ideal&#8221;.  Forced sacrafice and dampened achievement aren&#8217;t very inspiring.  Maybe for a guy who isn&#8217;t very motivated and would perfer to sit around and goof off but not do without?  Do you feel bad about yourself when people talk or worse yet, brag about what they have or want to have?  I refer to my earlier post about the &#8220;ills of humanity&#8221;, cheaters, gamblers and subversives exist no matter which economic political system they&#8217;re under.  Just makes sense to pick the one which offers the &#8220;common&#8221; man the most oppurtunity to live his life they way he reasons it relative to his own goals and abilities.<br />
At least that is what makes sense to a small town girl from a family with six children and hearing impaired but HARDWORKING parents who never want more than their fair share of OPPURTUNITY.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Brady Traynham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Brady Traynham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to John:  I have read all three of your posts carefully, John.  In general &quot;this side of the pond&quot; has referred to those who live in England.  Do you hold that your more advanced brand of socialism is superior to that which is being foisted upon us rapidly?  Has it improved YOUR life in any way?  Why will our fall please you so?  Will anyone be the better for it?  Will your children spell better than you do in schools which cater to the growing muslim population and debase the ideals of western civilization?  When our economy crashes completely will the EU be better off?  As President Reagan said, &quot;A rising tide lifts all boats.&quot;  The tide of socialism is grounding us in smelly mud flats.  I only wish I thought it were receding to be replaced by true free market entrepreneurialism.  Until you are totally self-sufficient and secure in your right to private property, do not be too eager to wish ill upon others.  LBT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to John:  I have read all three of your posts carefully, John.  In general &#8220;this side of the pond&#8221; has referred to those who live in England.  Do you hold that your more advanced brand of socialism is superior to that which is being foisted upon us rapidly?  Has it improved YOUR life in any way?  Why will our fall please you so?  Will anyone be the better for it?  Will your children spell better than you do in schools which cater to the growing muslim population and debase the ideals of western civilization?  When our economy crashes completely will the EU be better off?  As President Reagan said, &#8220;A rising tide lifts all boats.&#8221;  The tide of socialism is grounding us in smelly mud flats.  I only wish I thought it were receding to be replaced by true free market entrepreneurialism.  Until you are totally self-sufficient and secure in your right to private property, do not be too eager to wish ill upon others.  LBT</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Brady Traynham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Brady Traynham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The phrases &quot;the common good&quot; and &quot;the general welfare&quot; have no place in the debate because they are never anything more than a way to pick the pockets of producers.  This isn&#039;t utopia, and it is supposed to be a constitutional republic.  

The only two admissible purposes of government are to protect a nation&#039;s borders and to prevent some citizens from killing others.  Last year the Supreme Court pontificated that the police have no responsibility for protecting citizens.  Our state guards have been stripped for duty in Iraq and Afghanistan.  

There are only two things that government does better than private enterprise:  extort money and waste it.

LBT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phrases &#8220;the common good&#8221; and &#8220;the general welfare&#8221; have no place in the debate because they are never anything more than a way to pick the pockets of producers.  This isn&#8217;t utopia, and it is supposed to be a constitutional republic.  </p>
<p>The only two admissible purposes of government are to protect a nation&#8217;s borders and to prevent some citizens from killing others.  Last year the Supreme Court pontificated that the police have no responsibility for protecting citizens.  Our state guards have been stripped for duty in Iraq and Afghanistan.  </p>
<p>There are only two things that government does better than private enterprise:  extort money and waste it.</p>
<p>LBT</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Brady Traynham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Brady Traynham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Elcox:

Promises, promises...man cannot live on promises.  

Men have caused a great deal of woe attempting to demonstrate that &quot;socialism is Christianity at its best, stripped of its mystical nonsense.&quot;

Hmm...in the last 1500 years can you name a place that did not have Christianity but did have both freedom and prosperity?

LBT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Elcox:</p>
<p>Promises, promises&#8230;man cannot live on promises.  </p>
<p>Men have caused a great deal of woe attempting to demonstrate that &#8220;socialism is Christianity at its best, stripped of its mystical nonsense.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230;in the last 1500 years can you name a place that did not have Christianity but did have both freedom and prosperity?</p>
<p>LBT</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Brady Traynham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Brady Traynham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Cheri:  I loved your response..  Hit him again!  Linda</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Cheri:  I loved your response..  Hit him again!  Linda</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear friends,

As a Western European, I will take joy on the anihilation of the current american system (a.k.a. savage capitalism). I feel deep sorrow and compassion for those everywhere who are suffering already from the U.S. Empire (and Global capitalism) debacle, translated into unemploiment, unger, exploitation, blackmail and all sorts of abuse from those in power to those bellow. Even if they were the one&#039;s who elected their facade goverment.
Let&#039;s be honest: Obama or McCain?, Bush or Gore?, Bill or Bush...? Can you really tell any SIGNIFFICANT difference?
The american people is &quot;freee&quot; to choose from candidates of what&#039;s really the same party (it started that way, go and research please). 
I&#039;m for freedom and democracy as much as the next man, but in the last 20 years or so (since the fall of the Berlin Wall...) our democracies are becoming more of a sham (no more need of keping appearences now that we beat the &quot;commies&quot; are there...?).
Was Blair a socialist? Brown?
Barroso? Zapatero? Berlusconi? 
Nightmare!!!
No. None of our current politicians, regardless of party, actually represent the intersts of its electors. They represent hidden economical/financial interests, betting on destroing our hard-fought democracy and the once thriving middle-class to their own profit.
Wealth concentration and debt-serfdom is their goal, slowly pursued, over time, as not to raise (too many) suspitions.
Communism as an ideal is great! 
I happen to believe in God. Jesus for sure didn&#039;t want us to exploit our fellow-men. He taught us to live as brothers!
Communism is about working togheter to create a better, fairer, society, where everybody can live with dignity, can study and become what he wants to be, and isn&#039;t measured solely by where he lives or what he drives regardless of how he got it! (In most cases trough speculation or exploitation of others)
Capitalism promotes only one sort of &quot;freedom&quot;: That it&#039;s right to get rich no matter how.
That&#039;s what got us into this mess.
A middle-class Joe is only &quot;free&quot; to watch superbowl, guzzle a six-pack until oblivion and pay his bills at month&#039;s end. IF he&#039;s lucky!
His retirement is getting very hazy, so is the future of his progeny.
Is this what FREEDOM really stands for? Not for me!
One final word. Stalin was no saint. But comparing him to Hitler is of the most preposterous and absolute slandering the system has done in the last few years.
The system fears Communism because it knows it&#039;s the only force able to see trough ist&#039;s smoke and mirrors and deal with it the way it must be dealt with. With unrelentless determination. 
The very same way the system employs wherever is necessary to maitain it&#039;s grasp. Go see Chile, Bolivia, Guatemala, Greece after WW2, and the long blocaded &quot;threat&quot; of Cuba. Just to name some.

Long live REAL FREEDOM!
Freedom to ALL the peoples of the world!

Thank you for your time

John
France</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear friends,</p>
<p>As a Western European, I will take joy on the anihilation of the current american system (a.k.a. savage capitalism). I feel deep sorrow and compassion for those everywhere who are suffering already from the U.S. Empire (and Global capitalism) debacle, translated into unemploiment, unger, exploitation, blackmail and all sorts of abuse from those in power to those bellow. Even if they were the one&#8217;s who elected their facade goverment.<br />
Let&#8217;s be honest: Obama or McCain?, Bush or Gore?, Bill or Bush&#8230;? Can you really tell any SIGNIFFICANT difference?<br />
The american people is &#8220;freee&#8221; to choose from candidates of what&#8217;s really the same party (it started that way, go and research please).<br />
I&#8217;m for freedom and democracy as much as the next man, but in the last 20 years or so (since the fall of the Berlin Wall&#8230;) our democracies are becoming more of a sham (no more need of keping appearences now that we beat the &#8220;commies&#8221; are there&#8230;?).<br />
Was Blair a socialist? Brown?<br />
Barroso? Zapatero? Berlusconi?<br />
Nightmare!!!<br />
No. None of our current politicians, regardless of party, actually represent the intersts of its electors. They represent hidden economical/financial interests, betting on destroing our hard-fought democracy and the once thriving middle-class to their own profit.<br />
Wealth concentration and debt-serfdom is their goal, slowly pursued, over time, as not to raise (too many) suspitions.<br />
Communism as an ideal is great!<br />
I happen to believe in God. Jesus for sure didn&#8217;t want us to exploit our fellow-men. He taught us to live as brothers!<br />
Communism is about working togheter to create a better, fairer, society, where everybody can live with dignity, can study and become what he wants to be, and isn&#8217;t measured solely by where he lives or what he drives regardless of how he got it! (In most cases trough speculation or exploitation of others)<br />
Capitalism promotes only one sort of &#8220;freedom&#8221;: That it&#8217;s right to get rich no matter how.<br />
That&#8217;s what got us into this mess.<br />
A middle-class Joe is only &#8220;free&#8221; to watch superbowl, guzzle a six-pack until oblivion and pay his bills at month&#8217;s end. IF he&#8217;s lucky!<br />
His retirement is getting very hazy, so is the future of his progeny.<br />
Is this what FREEDOM really stands for? Not for me!<br />
One final word. Stalin was no saint. But comparing him to Hitler is of the most preposterous and absolute slandering the system has done in the last few years.<br />
The system fears Communism because it knows it&#8217;s the only force able to see trough ist&#8217;s smoke and mirrors and deal with it the way it must be dealt with. With unrelentless determination.<br />
The very same way the system employs wherever is necessary to maitain it&#8217;s grasp. Go see Chile, Bolivia, Guatemala, Greece after WW2, and the long blocaded &#8220;threat&#8221; of Cuba. Just to name some.</p>
<p>Long live REAL FREEDOM!<br />
Freedom to ALL the peoples of the world!</p>
<p>Thank you for your time</p>
<p>John<br />
France</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in SE Tennessee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill in SE Tennessee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For myself, the debate over the relative worth of either Capitalism or Socialism lies in what the end and effect of wealth is.  Are the manifestations of either we see today suggestive of a system that truly &quot;protects the rights of everyone and serves the common good&quot;?   Hardly, when growing millions go hungry and without health care or an adequate education, and prison censuses relative to population are highest in the world.  

History provides examples (most recognizably associated with Stalin and Mao) of &quot;socialist&quot; systems that that were merely fronts for bloody dictatorships.  Capitalism in the US today (not pure) IS a system that creates an economic structure that &quot;benefits capital at the expense of labor or culture or religion&quot;.   Universal liberties and the common good just aren&#039;t in the equations or strategies of Wall Street and the corporatist state our government has become.   Indeed, &quot;capitalism&quot; is merely a label attached to a predatory system by those who use the name to fog it&#039;s real nature.  Instead of a democracy, we have in its stead a growing and increasingly powerful corporatocracy.  

Melding of  corporate and state interests, which is really what we have here---to the benefit of a very few extremely wealthy elite---is more properly called Fascism.   Individual rights and the common good be damned!

Rothbard&#039;s observations are right on the money (no pun intended), as are yours, Mr. Rockwell.  Thanks very much for this interesting piece!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For myself, the debate over the relative worth of either Capitalism or Socialism lies in what the end and effect of wealth is.  Are the manifestations of either we see today suggestive of a system that truly &#8220;protects the rights of everyone and serves the common good&#8221;?   Hardly, when growing millions go hungry and without health care or an adequate education, and prison censuses relative to population are highest in the world.  </p>
<p>History provides examples (most recognizably associated with Stalin and Mao) of &#8220;socialist&#8221; systems that that were merely fronts for bloody dictatorships.  Capitalism in the US today (not pure) IS a system that creates an economic structure that &#8220;benefits capital at the expense of labor or culture or religion&#8221;.   Universal liberties and the common good just aren&#8217;t in the equations or strategies of Wall Street and the corporatist state our government has become.   Indeed, &#8220;capitalism&#8221; is merely a label attached to a predatory system by those who use the name to fog it&#8217;s real nature.  Instead of a democracy, we have in its stead a growing and increasingly powerful corporatocracy.  </p>
<p>Melding of  corporate and state interests, which is really what we have here&#8212;to the benefit of a very few extremely wealthy elite&#8212;is more properly called Fascism.   Individual rights and the common good be damned!</p>
<p>Rothbard&#8217;s observations are right on the money (no pun intended), as are yours, Mr. Rockwell.  Thanks very much for this interesting piece!</p>
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