Comments on: Three Views of TEOTWAWKI http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/three-views-of-teotwawki/ Whiskey and Gunpowder features articles on gold, oil, currencies, emerging markets, energy, and more. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:22:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: BillyJoe http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/three-views-of-teotwawki/comment-page-1/#comment-22379 BillyJoe Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:20:47 +0000 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=6306#comment-22379 With all the time, energy, and billions of dollars that are currently being squandered by Americans on our obsession with sports, entertainment, instant gratification, and having "fun" no longer distracting us from truly important issues and pursuits (such as a better economy, more effective government, important political, social and environmental issues, or survival, etc.) we just might emerge better off after an TEOTWAWKI event than before it. Just try to imagine a world without multi-zillions of dollars and wasted hours going to rapper/Gaga/Bieber/Kardasian type no talent clones-or to grown men playing kid's games that accomplish nothing of any substance-or to video games and reality shows that our youth are addicted to- or to all the legal and illegal drug dealers that our weak willed population fall prey to, or to all the dishonest businessmen and politicians that cater to our sense of greed and entitlement. I say "bring it on" thank you. With all the time, energy, and billions of dollars that are currently being squandered by Americans on our obsession with sports, entertainment, instant gratification, and having “fun” no longer distracting us from truly important issues and pursuits (such as a better economy, more effective government, important political, social and environmental issues, or survival, etc.) we just might emerge better off after an TEOTWAWKI event than before it. Just try to imagine a world without multi-zillions of dollars and wasted hours going to rapper/Gaga/Bieber/Kardasian type no talent clones-or to grown men playing kid’s games that accomplish nothing of any substance-or to video games and reality shows that our youth are addicted to- or to all the legal and illegal drug dealers that our weak willed population fall prey to, or to all the dishonest businessmen and politicians that cater to our sense of greed and entitlement. I say “bring it on” thank you.

]]> By: John Russell http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/three-views-of-teotwawki/comment-page-1/#comment-21057 John Russell Mon, 04 Jul 2011 01:18:41 +0000 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=6306#comment-21057 If the US fails, NO place will be any better off, really. All are much too dependent either upon the US, or other countries that are dependent upon us. I believe that 10% of the population will die within a month of the power going out, because that many are utterly dependent upon air conditioning, medical intervention, and refrigeration. I also believe that cannibalism will be commonplace within 6 months and that 90+% of the population will be dead within 1 year. If you are not well hidden in a dugout, with a year's supply of food and a way to cook/prepare that food that does not show flame and smoke, you are not likely to survive. If the US fails, NO place will be any better off, really. All are much too dependent either upon the US, or other countries that are dependent upon us. I believe that 10% of the population will die within a month of the power going out, because that many are utterly dependent upon air conditioning, medical intervention, and refrigeration. I also believe that cannibalism will be commonplace within 6 months and that 90+% of the population will be dead within 1 year. If you are not well hidden in a dugout, with a year’s supply of food and a way to cook/prepare that food that does not show flame and smoke, you are not likely to survive.

]]> By: dan http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/three-views-of-teotwawki/comment-page-1/#comment-12155 dan Wed, 05 Jan 2011 05:01:00 +0000 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=6306#comment-12155 Read the article and comments with interest. Author's later comment about possibility of leaving country for an apartment abroad surprised me. What indication is there that other countries would be any better especially when you are the outsider. Read the article and comments with interest. Author’s later comment about possibility of leaving country for an apartment abroad surprised me. What indication is there that other countries would be any better especially when you are the outsider.

]]> By: Robert http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/three-views-of-teotwawki/comment-page-1/#comment-9456 Robert Thu, 09 Dec 2010 03:21:15 +0000 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=6306#comment-9456 P.S I loved your reply to dear Megadan, you sounded so like those wonderful female companions RAH wrote so fondly about (and I have read every one of those books,finding great joy in the very advanced way he wrote of their feelings and strengh therein) in his many Syfi stories. You sound wonderful and my bet is on you and your's for a happy future no matter what may come. P.S I loved your reply to dear Megadan, you sounded so like those wonderful female companions RAH wrote so fondly about (and I have read every one of those books,finding great joy in the very advanced way he wrote of their feelings and strengh therein) in his many Syfi stories. You sound wonderful and my bet is on you and your’s for a happy future no matter what may come.

]]> By: Robert http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/three-views-of-teotwawki/comment-page-1/#comment-9455 Robert Thu, 09 Dec 2010 03:03:05 +0000 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=6306#comment-9455 I found this while looking for a portable camp stove and had to read it. I found it as wonderful as could be, mind bending truth that gives the best advice I have read for about 3 years now in my search for the truth of up and coming events to watch for. TEOTWAWKI, what a concept! May be a walk thru past history recorded about 3000 -4000 years gone by may give a little thought that "This has happened before and will again", I like to think that "Life Happens" and we pick up the pieces and move on again. Thanks again for a great read keep it up it makes my world a better place. I found this while looking for a portable camp stove and had to read it. I found it as wonderful as could be, mind bending truth that gives the best advice I have read for about 3 years now in my search for the truth of up and coming events to watch for. TEOTWAWKI, what a concept! May be a walk thru past history recorded about 3000 -4000 years gone by may give a little thought that “This has happened before and will again”, I like to think that “Life Happens” and we pick up the pieces and move on again. Thanks again for a great read keep it up it makes my world a better place.

]]> By: Linda Brady Traynham http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/three-views-of-teotwawki/comment-page-1/#comment-5385 Linda Brady Traynham Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:41:16 +0000 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=6306#comment-5385 Dear Mr. Laubacher: Thank you for the compliment, and Mr. Kunstler is known for his ability with words and ideas. (Have you any idea how hard it is for one writer to say something nice about another without fearing she'll sound condescending or impertinent?!) WMBH is a decided change from the articles I am most familiar with--having read them for a very long time--and The Long Emergency is at the other end of the spectrum. If your surmise is correct, whence cometh the reputation for "Yankee ingenuity?" Most of the characters just drooped around making no effort to improve their lots--which is probably what most people would do, but it didn't keep me from feeling depressed and disappointed. I had expected imaginative solutions and determination to claw a better life out of the rubble, a lot more characters like the cattle baron. I approved thoroughly of him! Did you make a Freudian slip? I thought the Dutch were Patroons, although they may well have been poltroons as well. The Forstchen is chillingly like what I think we can expect if "I'm a dinner jacket" tosses a small dirty nuke at us next Thursday, and I think Rawles' How To Survive is the most useful if you're just looking for good basic "prepper" advice. Funny story on me: I concluded several years ago that TEOTWAWKI was coming, and it never occurred to me to see if there were any books or blogs on the subject! I just took off across country, planning what we would need to preserve our lives and our lifestyle (our admittedly odd lifestyle) "if." I refused to contemplate a life without milk, cheese, eggs, and butter, so I bought cows, goats and chickens. Just common sense. Which reminds me that I haven't got what I need to grow mushrooms, yet! If "it" comes to pass, the most tragic words will be "It was on my list but..." Thanks for writing. Linda Dear Mr. Laubacher: Thank you for the compliment, and Mr. Kunstler is known for his ability with words and ideas. (Have you any idea how hard it is for one writer to say something nice about another without fearing she’ll sound condescending or impertinent?!) WMBH is a decided change from the articles I am most familiar with–having read them for a very long time–and The Long Emergency is at the other end of the spectrum. If your surmise is correct, whence cometh the reputation for “Yankee ingenuity?” Most of the characters just drooped around making no effort to improve their lots–which is probably what most people would do, but it didn’t keep me from feeling depressed and disappointed. I had expected imaginative solutions and determination to claw a better life out of the rubble, a lot more characters like the cattle baron. I approved thoroughly of him! Did you make a Freudian slip? I thought the Dutch were Patroons, although they may well have been poltroons as well. The Forstchen is chillingly like what I think we can expect if “I’m a dinner jacket” tosses a small dirty nuke at us next Thursday, and I think Rawles’ How To Survive is the most useful if you’re just looking for good basic “prepper” advice. Funny story on me: I concluded several years ago that TEOTWAWKI was coming, and it never occurred to me to see if there were any books or blogs on the subject! I just took off across country, planning what we would need to preserve our lives and our lifestyle (our admittedly odd lifestyle) “if.” I refused to contemplate a life without milk, cheese, eggs, and butter, so I bought cows, goats and chickens. Just common sense. Which reminds me that I haven’t got what I need to grow mushrooms, yet! If “it” comes to pass, the most tragic words will be “It was on my list but…” Thanks for writing. Linda

]]> By: James Laubacher http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/three-views-of-teotwawki/comment-page-1/#comment-5381 James Laubacher Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:08:56 +0000 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=6306#comment-5381 Your review of World Made By Hand is excellent. I would like to point out that it's well written and a smooth read. It doesn't provide any useful ideas but it's fine for recreation. I suspect that Mr.Kunstlers view of the world is colored by the area he lives in. My ancestors fled upstate New York around 1800 to escape the Poltroonism. I believe the laws and customs of New York are still tainted by that. I hope to read the other books but not yet. Thanks. Your review of World Made By Hand is excellent. I would like to point out that it’s well written and a smooth read. It doesn’t provide any useful ideas but it’s fine for recreation. I suspect that Mr.Kunstlers view of the world is colored by the area he lives in. My ancestors fled upstate New York around 1800 to escape the Poltroonism. I believe the laws and customs of New York are still tainted by that. I hope to read the other books but not yet. Thanks.

]]> By: Linda Brady Traynham http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/three-views-of-teotwawki/comment-page-1/#comment-5370 Linda Brady Traynham Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:10:17 +0000 http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/?p=6306#comment-5370 Dear Megadan: You wrote, "For Rawles’ methodology to work, one needs a functioning group of highly disciplined, switched on individuals living in harmony with each other in an isolated retreat during a highly stressful time. In my view, this is sheer fantasy due to the territoriality of human beings, especially where multiple married couples are concerned. The potential for internecine strife, bickering, petty and well grounded jealousies, flirtation-cum-adultery and arguments ending in discharged firearms is immense. A much better – and more affordable – option would be a passport and some cash stashed offshore, perhaps a modest apartment abroad too, to provide a lifeboat to escape domestic horrors. Short of that, relocation to a largely self-sufficient small farming village, where one can retain one’s own personal domestic space but enjoy the benefits of communal security>" Yes, and no. I endorse your suggestions of moving abroad--if you do not mind abandoning most of what you have and can rely upon your investments to continue to provide usable "cash,"--knowing where to find a farming village where you can pull your own weight, is certainly a fine option. Yes, I agree that those are highly desirable, but they can be quite difficult to implement. My biggest problem is suitable personnel, those who are worth feeding in return for what they can do. Jealousy, bickering, and back-biting are clearly anti-survival behaviors which could not be tolerated. The answer to the insecurity of jealousy has long been "the lady chooses," and that settles it. If the worst happens there will be far more important matters than who sleeps with whom. A basic problem--no matter what N.O.W. says--is that there ARE far fewer "superior" females in this context than there are males. I adore my darling Charles, and vice versa, but if it came to a Waco situation I am certain that he would have no problem with me offering the comfort of my body to anyone who needed it, particularly if I expressed my love for him first. In the extraordinary event that I found MDC in bed with another female I would remove myself discretely, complacently certain that he had a good reason for it. The man adores me and knows full well how lucky he is that his feelings are returned. Chuckle...my view is that so long as my needs are met he is free to expend any excess libido wherever it will do the most good! I can love all the men who are worthy of it (not many) and what I do is MY choice, not his. He knows that and that I will not abuse my perogative frivolously. No, I would never do anything deliberately that made MDC unhappy, but he and I are thoroughly attune. If what it takes to keep a soldier functioning is some personal laying on of hands, I'll make (chuckle) the supreme sacrifice. Jealousy is simply insecurity, and we aren't insecure. No, of course I do not condone casual immoral behavior, but I recognize that special circumstances may require temporary suspension of the rules. Think of it this way: Charles is my lode star, but I would not trust my life to anyone I would not be willing to bed if circumstances warranted it. Please write me at ranch LT4.com if this answer does not, ah, satisfy you. LBT Dear Megadan: You wrote, “For Rawles’ methodology to work, one needs a functioning group of highly disciplined, switched on individuals living in harmony with each other in an isolated retreat during a highly stressful time. In my view, this is sheer fantasy due to the territoriality of human beings, especially where multiple married couples are concerned. The potential for internecine strife, bickering, petty and well grounded jealousies, flirtation-cum-adultery and arguments ending in discharged firearms is immense. A much better – and more affordable – option would be a passport and some cash stashed offshore, perhaps a modest apartment abroad too, to provide a lifeboat to escape domestic horrors. Short of that, relocation to a largely self-sufficient small farming village, where one can retain one’s own personal domestic space but enjoy the benefits of communal security>” Yes, and no. I endorse your suggestions of moving abroad–if you do not mind abandoning most of what you have and can rely upon your investments to continue to provide usable “cash,”–knowing where to find a farming village where you can pull your own weight, is certainly a fine option. Yes, I agree that those are highly desirable, but they can be quite difficult to implement. My biggest problem is suitable personnel, those who are worth feeding in return for what they can do. Jealousy, bickering, and back-biting are clearly anti-survival behaviors which could not be tolerated. The answer to the insecurity of jealousy has long been “the lady chooses,” and that settles it. If the worst happens there will be far more important matters than who sleeps with whom. A basic problem–no matter what N.O.W. says–is that there ARE far fewer “superior” females in this context than there are males. I adore my darling Charles, and vice versa, but if it came to a Waco situation I am certain that he would have no problem with me offering the comfort of my body to anyone who needed it, particularly if I expressed my love for him first. In the extraordinary event that I found MDC in bed with another female I would remove myself discretely, complacently certain that he had a good reason for it. The man adores me and knows full well how lucky he is that his feelings are returned. Chuckle…my view is that so long as my needs are met he is free to expend any excess libido wherever it will do the most good! I can love all the men who are worthy of it (not many) and what I do is MY choice, not his. He knows that and that I will not abuse my perogative frivolously. No, I would never do anything deliberately that made MDC unhappy, but he and I are thoroughly attune. If what it takes to keep a soldier functioning is some personal laying on of hands, I’ll make (chuckle) the supreme sacrifice.

Jealousy is simply insecurity, and we aren’t insecure. No, of course I do not condone casual immoral behavior, but I recognize that special circumstances may require temporary suspension of the rules. Think of it this way: Charles is my lode star, but I would not trust my life to anyone I would not be willing to bed if circumstances warranted it.

Please write me at ranch LT4.com if this answer does not, ah, satisfy you. LBT

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